Sunday, January 16, 2011

When The People Spoke....

While Iraq was celebrating for winning 1-0 against E.U. in the Asia Cup, the people of Tunisia were celebrating their freedom. I must say they are brave, facing death. Freedom is expenisve and many Tunisians sacrificed their lives for their people’s future, for a better life, what began with asking for bread ended with their dictator fleeing, and now they are breathing the freedom. They showed great unity even though there are some groups who want to ruin the country during the absence of government, but the army has been supporting the people, & people supporting each other. The Tunisian people are looking forward to making their country better, a better government, they showed the whole world, east & west, that when people speak together they can make a difference, affect real change. I think they are better than us, at least I see they have unity between them, they are more educated than us, more understanding what democracy means, they created their democracy, look to the Egypt, Algeria, Jorden, Palestine, their people got the spark from Tunisian people and hopefully it will spread to other areas. Dictators should be trembling this day.

Congratulation Tunisia you are liberated!
أذا الشعب يوما" اراد الحياة        فلابد ان يستجيب القدر
ولابد لليل ان ينجـــــــــلي         ولابد للقيد ان ينكســـــر


Mister Ghost said...

Hello Freedom,
I disagree with you here.
When I heard about this revolution, my comment was, "Run Christians, run."

And I am sorry to see that you and al Qaeda are on the same side here:

After inciting the Algerian people to rebel and bring down the country's regime in the last few days, one of the leaders of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, Abdelmalek Deroukdal, alias Abu Musab Abdelwadoud, has expressed his solidarity with the Tunisian people, encouraging it to fight a holy war to bring down the regime of President Ben Ali.

As Robert Spencer notes: "The popular uprising there is pro-Sharia and Islamic rule."

Dictators are bad, but Islamic fundamentalist governments are worse.

I think this revolution will be a smaller version of what happened in Iran.

Certainly the rights of women and non Muslims will decline as well as the role of Tunisia being the most advanced Arab state.

As Hugh Fitzgerald notes, "Tunisia is the most advanced, because the most forcibly secular, of Arab states."

Anonymous said...

Did you read a few blogs and arrive at the conclusion that revolution and a fight for freedom is linked to Islamic Extremism? I'm sure we could go back 250 years and read all the debaucherous and evil that American revolutionaries belonged to according to the British. I believe they were even labeled.

Just because someone in Qaeda chooses to support something doesn't mean they own it. what if Qaeda supported Israel to bomb Iran? Does that mean it's an inherently bad thing to do? What about supporting the United States to leave Afghanistan? Will the US then decide to stay there forever?

I'm surprised at you, Mister Ghost, at your assumptions. Maybe we should let this play out and see what the Tunisian people may really want. Or is it that the US was supporting the corrupt nepotism that had over 14% unemployment and exorbitant food prices?

To link Freedom and Qaeda is pure nonsense. You should know better, especially considering the climate in iraq. Shame on you.

Mister Ghost said...

For those of us who strongly support true democracy (not the silly Sharia Law nonsense prevalent in Iraq for instance), women and human rights, there is no shame in pointing out the troublesome aspects of the al Qaeda-backed Tunisian revolution and what will likely be a lurch away from a secular state.

And your example of al Qaeda, who wants to exterminate Israel, supporting Israel against Iran is preposterous. In fact, you may have missed this, but Iran has given refuge to members of al Qaeda and the Bin Laden family...

No, al Qaeda supported this revolution, because they are happy to see another secular state fall and they despised Ben Ali because of such secular policies. Strangely enough, al Qaeda doesn't seem to despise the far more despotic Saudis or other Mideast dictators, because many run Islamic fundamentalist states.

And, it is the anonymous types like you, relying on too much naivete, who urge people to let things play out and who fail to learn from history.

What we see now in the Middle East is a strong push towards Islamic fundamentalism to replace Arab Nationalism as the de rigeur system of government.

Iran - Iraq - Lebanon - Turkey sliding away rapidly from secularism - now Tunisia - perhaps Egypt next.

Tunisia was the most secular of Arab states - because it was forced on them by the regime and that insured a high standard for women's rights, at least as far as the Mideast goes.

As we see in Iraq, when Islamic types gain control of the government, women's rights as well as rights of minorities suffer greatly.

I don't expect Tunisia to devolve into Iraq or Iran, but the odds are against Tunisia improving in the long run from this revolution.

And of course, Freedom is not an al Qaeda supporter by any means, but as they say, politics makes strange bedfellows, and on this issue, her feelings and al Qaeda intersect. They both approve of the revolution.

Don Cox said...

"al Qaeda doesn't seem to despise the far more despotic Saudis"

Al Qaeda has from the beginning been deeply hostile to the Saudi regime.

Mister Ghost said...

Don, deeply hostile?
Hmmm, perhaps things are not as they seem.
Saudi Arabia after all is the biggest private financier of terror in the world. I'm not sure if it's not a good cop, bad cop routine, with the Saudis as the good cop.

Certainly al Qaeda has a good to a great deal of support among the Saudis themselves.

But my original point was poorly worded. Let's say al Qaeda was more reactionary against Tunisia as opposed to other regimes like the Saudis, because Tunisia was one of the most secular Arab states.

They had a bigger case of hate for Tunisia because it was so secular, and Tunisia unlike the Sauds had not given al Qaeda financial inducements to prevent attacks in their country. )))

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

Maybe we should let this play out and see what the Tunisian people may really want.

I can understand Mister Ghost's cynicism. If the people of Tunisia truly want real freedom they will have to overcome a history in the Middle East of the repression of ideas. It is critical to allow everyone a chance to express themselves.

I would dearly love to see happen in Tunisia the exact opposite of what happened in Iran after their revolution. That is, the rejection of fundamentalist religious zealotry.

My thoughts are with those in the Middle East who truly support freedom for all.

Mister Ghost said...

It's playing out as I expected it:

Exiled Islamist party leader set to return to Tunisia," from France24, January 24:

Rached Ghannouchi, leader of Tunisia's Islamic party Ennahda, said Monday in an interview with FRANCE 24 that he was hoping to return to Tunisia in the coming days after spending 20 years in exile in London...

The Seculars will likely still win the next election in Tunisia, but the Islamic parties will gain enough of a share, that concessions
will have to be made to them. Give them an inch, and suddenly they'll take a mile.

The secular Tunisian woman can trade her bikini for the Iraq Christian woman's miniskirt as they both meet ion the airport on there way to exile in the West.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

It sounds like the protests have spread to Egypt and Yeman as well. Given the locations, and the Iranian precedent, I am concerned that they will end up just changing one type of dictatorship for another.

And, no, to those who may be skeptical of my motives for saying that, I do not care if our governemnt has diplomatic relations with the current governments of Tunisia, Egypt or Yeman. Personally, if the protesters could achieve a more liberal form of governemnt with their efforts, I would be happy for them. My words are merely a warning for those who desire that to be careful.

Mister Ghost said...

Hello Lynnette,
Egypt sadly will be lost to the Muslim Brotherhood - it's the 2010s equivalent of Iran's revolution, just Sunna fundamentalism substituted for Shia.

And I saw this about Tunisia: "We want freedom for the hijab, the niqab and the beard": Islamic supremacists demonstrate in Tunisia

I can just imagine what things will be like in the Middle East in five years.

And if the present government in Yemen goes under, you get al Qaeda basically in control there.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

Hi Mr. Ghost,

I can just imagine what things will be like in the Middle East in five years.

And if the present government in Yemen goes under, you get al Qaeda basically in control there.

Frankly, that is my concern as well. I worry that people there who truly want freedom of choice will find they have thrown themselves out of the frying pan and into the fire.

That's not to say I am fond of Mubarak or the status quo in any of the other countries that are being affected by this. What I would like to see is some form of organization by those who are demonstrating in good faith.

Find leaders who will advocate for the people and rally around them. Do not allow those with extemist views to undermine this. Religion per se is fine, but the extreme versions will only give you Iran all over again.